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Meeting Logs
2012 year 7 month 15 day Sunday 16:51:14 MDT 

  1. Session Start: Sun Jul 15 16:36:20 2012
  2. Session Ident: #epak.meeting
  3. 03[16:36] * Now talking in #epak.meeting
  4. 03[16:36] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Ahsan_Shahbaz
  5. 03[16:36] * zafthfirst (~zaf@2B640E54.43860400.639722A6.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  6. [16:36] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4 ClusterStorm YOU MUST STAY N SHARE DATABSE FOR THAT NINJA GIRL YOU USED TO FOLLOW ALL DAY N NIGHT
  7. [16:36] <dingorider> 11What if we chase him out
  8. 01[16:36] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I am sorry for the delay
  9. [16:36] <Mehmood25> He is here dingorider
  10. 03[16:36] * Retrieving #epak.meeting modes...
  11. [16:36] <Redphienix> 6How dare you! Welcome! :D
  12. 03[16:36] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +m
  13. 01[16:36] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Alright
  14. 01[16:36] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> so we have almost everyone here
  15. 01[16:37] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if we need to wait for anyone kindly send me a pm
  16. 01[16:37] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I will now appoint moderators for this room who will moderate the meeting
  17. 01[16:37] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> As always kindly keep it civil
  18. 02[16:37] * Zaf (~zaf@2B640E54.43860400.639722A6.IP) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  19. 01[16:38] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Sorry for the moderator mode
  20. 01[16:38] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i turned into to make a intro after that it will be opened
  21. 01[16:38] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> have patience
  22. 03[16:39] * zafthfirst (~zaf@2B640E54.43860400.639722A6.IP) has left #epak.meeting
  23. 03[16:39] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +o dingorider
  24. 03[16:39] * Zaf (~zaf@2B640E54.43860400.639722A6.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  25. 03[16:39] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +o dodial
  26. 03[16:39] * @dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) has left #epak.meeting
  27. 03[16:39] * dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  28. 03[16:39] * dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) has left #epak.meeting
  29. 03[16:39] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +o Mehmood25
  30. 03[16:39] * dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  31. 03[16:39] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -m
  32. 01[16:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Alright lets begin
  33. [16:39] <dingorider> hello?
  34. [16:40] <@Mehmood25> k
  35. [16:40] <dingorider> ah finally
  36. [16:40] <AhmedUzair> ok
  37. [16:40] <IshamaelNaeblis> I have a question.
  38. 01[16:40] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok before you have any questions
  39. [16:40] <IshamaelNaeblis> Why is someone from FYROM having moderator privs here?
  40. 01[16:40] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ?
  41. [16:40] <@Mehmood25> Who said i am from FYROM?
  42. [16:40] <IshamaelNaeblis> I mean Mehmood25.
  43. [16:40] <@Mehmood25> i am the pure ePakistani
  44. [16:40] <Zaf> dil pakistani
  45. 03[16:40] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -o Mehmood25
  46. 01[16:40] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Happy ?
  47. 01[16:41] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> are we done with small disputes ?
  48. [16:41] <Zaf> lol
  49. [16:41] <IshamaelNaeblis> Yes, please continue.
  50. [16:41] <Mohammad_Bilal> lol
  51. 01[16:41] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok good
  52. [16:41] <Redphienix> 6lol
  53. [16:41] <Badar> Before beginning, I just wanted to let you guys know that Badar Fateh Khan is back. Most of you don't know me but Ahsan knows me quite well.
  54. [16:41] <Zaf> alright
  55. 03[16:41] * Mehmood25 (Mehmood25@Rizon-DCAD069A.rizonbnc.us.rizon.net) has left #epak.meeting (Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is)
  56. [16:41] <Mohammad_Bilal> Welcome
  57. 01[16:42] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Alright
  58. 01[16:42] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> shall i begin
  59. [16:42] <dingorider> 2Start?
  60. [16:42] <dingorider> 2Yes
  61. 01[16:42] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I will tell you guys the format of the meeting
  62. 01[16:43] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> first of all everyone will send me and dodial names who want to speak to the meeting
  63. 01[16:43] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> while a speaker is speaking on agenda you are not allowed to interupt
  64. 01[16:43] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> after every speaker there will open discussion
  65. 01[16:43] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> on the points made
  66. 01[16:43] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and if needed a vote will be conducted issue wise
  67. 03[16:44] * theytookallthegoodnames (cgiirc@73F149C2.B35B92F0.B25C6C14.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  68. 03[16:44] * Mehmood25 (Mehmood25@Rizon-DCAD069A.rizonbnc.us.rizon.net) has joined #epak.meeting
  69. 01[16:45] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  70. 01[16:45] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Dingorider is our first speaker
  71. [16:45] <theytookallthegoodnames> what'd i miss?
  72. 01[16:45] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> go ahead Dingorider
  73. [16:45] <Redphienix> 6Nothing.
  74. [16:45] <dingorider> 2On the points ?Ok
  75. [16:46] <dingorider> 2Well I think We have to create an Official newspaper that should be locally recognised .I have received many new people and some just leave So we have to do more to keep them playing the game
  76. [16:47] <dingorider> 2Done
  77. 01[16:47] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok
  78. 01[16:47] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Lets call a discussion
  79. 01[16:48] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> anyone who disagrees ?
  80. [16:48] <theytookallthegoodnames>  guess i can take care of a newspaper, but i need to know the basics, like , for example; how the hell do you start one?
  81. [16:48] <Redphienix> 6Quite right then, who do you  believe should run the paper and should it be more formal "We did this and will do this, newbies do this" or should it be more entertainment?
  82. [16:48] <dingorider> 2I think kind of a mix depending on the situation
  83. [16:48] <Redphienix> 6Costs gold to start, cheap though, believe there is a level limit
  84. [16:48] <dingorider> 2And who should run it -I'm clue less on that
  85. [16:48] <Zaf> should it belong to a player or an org?
  86. [16:49] <Redphienix> 6I figure a formal one would have.... well little to talk of unless we are in war, so mix makes sense.
  87. [16:49] <Badar> If there is someone who can write pretty well, that person is Ahsan.
  88. [16:49] <IshamaelNaeblis> I think it should belong to an org.
  89. [16:49] <theytookallthegoodnames> well i can see why there's a problem, i doubt many players would want to spend gold
  90. [16:49] <Redphienix> 6Most do
  91. [16:49] <Redphienix> 6it's what? 2 gold?
  92. [16:49] <dingorider> 2I think its free
  93. [16:49] <Mohammad_Bilal> Nah
  94. [16:49] <Mohammad_Bilal> 2 gold
  95. 01[16:49] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Well I would like to add something here
  96. [16:49] <Redphienix> 6IF IT'S FREE I WANT MY REFUND >:L X3
  97. [16:49] <dingorider> 2Yes
  98. [16:49] <theytookallthegoodnames> well you'll have to count me out cause i'm low on gold
  99. 01[16:50] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> We have a ministry of  media right ?
  100. [16:50] <Mohammad_Bilal> An org should be used for this
  101. [16:50] <Mohammad_Bilal> Yeah
  102. [16:50] <theytookallthegoodnames> by the way is the gold market still collapsed?
  103. [16:50] <Redphienix> 6A national paper is something I've wanted for a while. It'd be that one paper we know will have an article out every day/ every other day even when we get quiet.
  104. [16:50] <Mehmood25> CS made me the MoM.
  105. 06[16:50] * Mohammad_Bilal haz noozpaper
  106. 06[16:50] * Redphienix 6has paper noose, not the same.
  107. [16:50] <TheJakal> It doesn't make logistical sense to launch an "official newspaper" but the different ministers should write regular articles and hashtag the articles that are official.
  108. 03[16:51] * faris (cgiirc@56230CB0.F6965A4A.807366BF.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  109. [16:51] <dingorider> 2A single news paper-A unified order-That is well dicussed before being published
  110. [16:51] <TheJakal> For example, ClusterStorm when making an official speech should include [POP] (President of Pakistan)
  111. [16:51] <TheJakal> in the article headline.
  112. [16:51] <Redphienix> 6If we can get our hands on an org to transfer to each new minister of media, then yes, it does make sense to make one.
  113. [16:51] <Mohammad_Bilal> Also we should send private messages to all new players, in that pm we should give them link to ePakistan forums
  114. [16:51] <Mohammad_Bilal> And there in ePak Forums
  115. [16:52] <Mohammad_Bilal> We should make helpful threads
  116. [16:52] <Mohammad_Bilal> etc
  117. [16:52] <Mohammad_Bilal> to retain em
  118. 01[16:52] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Who over here will be active on forums
  119. 01[16:52] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> raise your hands
  120. [16:52] <Mohammad_Bilal> Me
  121. [16:52] <Redphienix> 6I hate that dang forum :/
  122. [16:52] <Mehmood25> me
  123. [16:52] <Mohammad_Bilal> Let me give u link
  124. [16:52] <Mohammad_Bilal> to
  125. [16:52] <Mohammad_Bilal> what
  126. [16:52] <dingorider> 2PEOPLE
  127. [16:52] <dingorider> 2http://erep.maxihellas.com/citizens/cnewplayers.aspx?Country=%27Pakistan%27&Date=%272012-05-18%27
  128. [16:52] <Redphienix> 6I use that
  129. [16:52] <Mohammad_Bilal> A sec
  130. [16:52] <dingorider> 2Yes so whos job is it?
  131. [16:52] <theytookallthegoodnames> i still think we should hack inactive accounts and make something useful out of them >_>
  132. [16:53] <Redphienix> 6psht lol
  133. 01[16:53] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  134. [16:53] <dingorider> 2=)
  135. [16:53] <dingorider> 2Whos job is IT?
  136. 01[16:53] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I think we all agreed on this issue
  137. 01[16:53] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> shall we move forward
  138. [16:53] <Zaf> theytookallthegoodnames can u hack?
  139. 01[16:53] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> before we are told to hack accounts
  140. [16:53] <dingorider> 2This is called politics
  141. [16:53] <Redphienix> 6So long as we get an org to use yes. Otherwise no.
  142. 01[16:53] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I would like to speak..
  143. 01[16:54] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if i have your permission
  144. [16:54] <Mohammad_Bilal> http://erepublikpk.co.cc/showthread.php?tid=325
  145. [16:54] <Zaf> no
  146. [16:54] <EinstienJr> it looks like we r living in a coco's land
  147. [16:54] <Redphienix> 6A national paper is better when it doesn't change every election. A permanent paper that new people are given the account info for works better.
  148. [16:54] <Mohammad_Bilal> You may not speak please
  149. 01[16:54] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  150. 01[16:54] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Anyways
  151. [16:54] <Zaf> i demand a vote on a national newspaper
  152. [16:55] <IshamaelNaeblis> National paper by an org or a player?
  153. [16:55] <theytookallthegoodnames> well i don't really know much about hacking, but i heard you can download password crackers
  154. [16:55] <Zaf> by an org
  155. [16:55] <Mohammad_Bilal> Not a national newspaper, we should make it on Forums - threads
  156. [16:55] <Mohammad_Bilal> Because
  157. [16:55] <IshamaelNaeblis> By an org - yes.
  158. [16:55] <Mohammad_Bilal> At the end
  159. 01[16:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> A Vote on National Newspaper those in favour say HELL YEAH those Against say NO
  160. [16:55] <superUD> national newspaper is good idea with under the supervision of ministry of media.
  161. [16:55] <Mohammad_Bilal> Some individual will be controlling that newspaper
  162. [16:55] <Zaf> yes
  163. [16:55] <EinstienJr> when we have no stuff to publish thn why newspaper?
  164. [16:55] <AhmedUzair> Paper by an org yes
  165. 01[16:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> 4 A Vote on National Newspaper those in favour say HELL YEAH those Against say NO
  166. [16:55] <Redphienix> 6HELL YEAH
  167. [16:55] <Mehmood25> Yes
  168. [16:55] <dingorider> 2HELL YEAH
  169. [16:55] <faris> yes
  170. [16:56] <TheJakal> I abstain on this vote.
  171. [16:56] <superUD> HELL YEAH
  172. [16:56] <Zaf> paper by an org,HELL YEAH
  173. 01[16:56] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Alright
  174. 01[16:56] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> everyone done ?
  175. [16:56] <AhmedUzair> HELL YEAH (If by an org)
  176. [16:56] <dingorider> 2Ahsan shabaz
  177. [16:56] <Redphienix> 6HELL YEAH ~ AS LONG AS IN AN ORG WHICH WE TRANSFER ACCOUNT INFO TO EACH MINISTER OF MEDIA
  178. [16:56] <Zaf> TheJakal,u r out voted
  179. [16:56] <tinytoony>  HELL YEAH (If by an org)
  180. [16:56] <Mohammad_Bilal> Paper either by  national org or threads on FORUMS!!
  181. [16:56] <dingorider> 2National org newspaper
  182. [16:56] <IshamaelNaeblis> National org.
  183. 01[16:57] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> OK
  184. 01[16:57] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> seems like vote is done
  185. [16:57] <theytookallthegoodnames> HELL YEAH..i guess
  186. [16:57] <dingorider> 2Next topic?
  187. 01[16:57] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> now Jakal would like to speak
  188. 01[16:57] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> kindly silence please
  189. 06[16:57] * Mohammad_Bilal puts his both index fingers on his lips.
  190. 03[16:58] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +m
  191. 03[16:58] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +v TheJakal
  192. 01[16:58] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Jakal
  193. [16:58] <+TheJakal> First all, I am disappointed in the level or organization that went behind this national meeting but it isn't a shocker. Second of all, a vote for a national newspaper? Why is it not possible for each minister to regularly update the public on their projects by hashtagging an article. We put too much faith in one person which is not beneficial.
  194. 01[16:58] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> you may begin
  195. 03[16:59] * dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) has left #epak.meeting
  196. 03[16:59] * Me (cgiirc@D60CAF18.67BD60ED.31DE4886.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  197. 03[16:59] * dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  198. [16:59] <+TheJakal> Anyhow, I came here today to address any questions or queries people have against me and the newly launched Saeen Party.
  199. 01[16:59] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Jakal Thanks for your love. Everyone has life and i did the organization which i could i can not control everything that goes on here. Next time please organize a meeting on your own
  200. [16:59] <+TheJakal> I also came here to discuss ideas and concepts
  201. [17:00] <@dodial> Jakal the meeting is about ePakistan not your party
  202. 01[17:00] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ^^ exactly
  203. [17:00] <@dodial> this is an oppurtunity for you to contribute with your ideas
  204. 03[17:00] * dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) has left #epak.meeting
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  206. [17:00] <+TheJakal> thank you for interupting whilst I was speaking.
  207. 03[17:01] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -o Ahsan_Shahbaz
  208. [17:01] <+TheJakal> As I was saying, one of the new ideas that I would like to present is to have an official website that can be easily linked to this game and at the same time be marketable, I have taken the liberty of going out to buy a domain epakistan.org which sounds better than the current domain we have, there are no restrictions on what can go on there.
  209. [17:02] <+TheJakal> As many people prefer to talk and discuss and come up with ideas but very few follow through, I would like to hear opinions from the members in this group on what they would like to see on such a website and if this would be acceptable for them.
  210. 03[17:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Ahsan_Shahbaz
  211. [17:03] <+TheJakal> One thing that I would like to set on this website is individual pages for each player who plans to invite other players.
  212. [17:03] <+TheJakal> a customized invite page so to speak that will allow the user to show one link and refer them to a page.
  213. [17:04] <+TheJakal> I believe this is all for the time being.
  214. 03[17:04] * manii (cgiirc@B8D070A5.4A34F8CA.43D5492B.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  215. [17:04] <+TheJakal> and to address your points dodial, this national meeting was called originally due to the concern of the division being created in ePakistan which was partly blamed on one party. Hence I would like to take this opportunity to address any concerns the people of Pakistan might have.
  216. [17:04] <+TheJakal> Thank you.
  217. 01[17:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I will now open it for discussion
  218. 01[17:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> before that I would like to make one thing clear about this meeting.
  219. 03[17:05] * Noman97 (cgiirc@64DB0CAD.BDF453A6.3A04B072.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  220. 01[17:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I organized this in personal capacity it's an intiative by me. I clearly told the meeting procedure before the meeting but I am not surprised you can not always keep everyone happy
  221. 01[17:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> it is the duty of participants to come forward with ideas just because you think the idea isnt great proposed here does not mean you are right and this goes for everyone here including me
  222. 01[17:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> thats why we do a vote and after this meeting there will be a resolution of points agreed here
  223. 03[17:07] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -m
  224. [17:07] <Redphienix> 6I dislike this because outside websites have been done and have failed. We learned that lesson already- why waste the money and time again? On another note I appreciate you going through the trouble to come up with ideas for it :3
  225. [17:07] <IshamaelNaeblis> External websites/meta game stuff on this game isn't really that effective...they are used by the most hard core and active players and ignored by the vast majority of players, leading to the culmination of power in the hands of the same old people time and again.
  226. [17:08] <Zaf> ^^ right that's why forums never work for pakistani people
  227. [17:08] <superUD> i am also against this idea,this idea look great but not necessity of time.
  228. [17:08] <Zaf> we need maximum effort ingame
  229. [17:08] <@dodial> Let me add something here.
  230. [17:08] <tinytoony> i would like everybody to put an effort towards CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM or keep it zipped. having a smart tongue doesnt prove anything. thanku
  231. [17:09] <@dodial> thank you tinytoony :)
  232. [17:09] <Noman97> hey guys
  233. [17:09] <Redphienix> 6Link newbies to the game and have articles to teach~ Or pay real life money for a website that will only help those linked to it (those in game have no articles as detailed as the site). Another case of wasteful solution to easy problem- and it's been tried and failed hard WITH intense work put into it.
  234. [17:09] <superUD> agree with Redphienix
  235. [17:10] <manii> i am late
  236. [17:10] <+TheJakal> Redphienix: http://uktutorial.wordpress.com/ this is an excellent tutorial on a website
  237. [17:10] <IshamaelNaeblis> Yeah, even in the most active of countries (eUSA for example) with over 4000 voters, the amount of people using forums is below 200..its not effective.
  238. [17:10] <manii> so
  239. [17:10] <Me> I have one point, about inviting people, this is good but how do we control multies we have greater threat of losing mature people, you know very well. how we increase activity of citizens ?
  240. [17:10] <+TheJakal> Redphienix: in game articles are hard to keep track off
  241. -
  242. 01[17:10] Me is cgiirc@D60CAF18.67BD60ED.31DE4886.IP * http://www.mibbit.com
  243. 01[17:10] Me on #epak.meeting #ePakistan
  244. 01[17:10] Me using *.rizon.net Where are you?
  245. 01[17:10] Me End of /WHOIS list.
  246. -
  247. [17:10] <Noman97> Another thing I dont think there has been goals set up by epak govt. which really makes this game boring.
  248. [17:10] <@dodial> Redphienix: you are partly right, but you are thinking along a different like
  249. [17:10] <Badar> Maybe advertise on Facebook?
  250. [17:10] <Noman97> There is no target and newbies find this game not woth playing.
  251. [17:10] <@dodial> every STOP.
  252. [17:10] <manii> anyone tell me that we are talking about bringing the new players ? Ahsan_Shahbaz
  253. 01[17:10] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Also guys a suggestion for meeting
  254. [17:10] <@dodial> lets discuss one issue at a time
  255. [17:10] <Redphienix> 6I need no tutorial and in game articles are more easily accessed.
  256. 01[17:11] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> keep ur erep names as nick
  257. [17:11] <@dodial> dont stray please
  258. 01[17:11] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> e.g. ME
  259. [17:11] <+TheJakal> and I was not referring to forums.
  260. [17:11] <+TheJakal> i'm referring to a website
  261. 03[17:11] * tinytoony is now known as wehshigujjar
  262. 01[17:11] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> brb
  263. [17:11] <Redphienix> 6Alrighty Ahsan_Shahbaz :3
  264. [17:11] <@dodial> i know that forums and external websites are not a great hit
  265. 03[17:12] * manii is now known as Scorpion_king
  266. 03[17:12] * Zaf is now known as Zafthfirst
  267. [17:12] <@dodial> and surely we dont want to make yet another space to login and check
  268. [17:12] <@dodial> HOWEVER
  269. [17:12] <wehshigujjar> is it possible to modify the welcome message that a new player gets ? if yes then we can add the forums and the website link in it.
  270. [17:12] <@dodial> what we do need is a central place to host data and information for the government of ePakistan
  271. [17:12] <Redphienix> 6Yes it is possible and should be done each term, didn't it get changed by Cluster?
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  274. [17:13] <@dodial> wehshigujjar: please let this topic close before the next
  275. [17:13] <Redphienix> 6Now that makes more sense Dodial. But I thought Jakal was offering a portal to erep more than an egovernment website.
  276. [17:13] <Redphienix> 6The forum make sense for the government.
  277. [17:13] <+TheJakal> Redphienix: no a website, with information about the game as a marketing tool.
  278. [17:13] <Redphienix> 6Articles for newbies.
  279. [17:13] <@dodial> Redphienix: you are right.. Jakal is saying something like that..
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  281. [17:14] <@dodial> but what we actaully need is an information portal
  282. [17:14] <@dodial> something that displays
  283. [17:14] <@dodial> 1. Treasury Info
  284. [17:14] <Redphienix> 6Website is wasteful in my eyes, articles catch newbies more easily- website catches all of no one.
  285. [17:14] <@dodial> 2. Current Cabinet and position holders
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  287. [17:14] <@dodial> 3. Organization tool for military
  288. [17:14] <@dodial> etc..
  289. [17:14] <@dodial> more can be added..
  290. [17:14] <Mohammad_Bilal> <dodial> what we do need is a central place to host data and information for the government of ePakistan <==  check this link http://erepublikpk.co.cc/showthread.php?tid=325
  291. [17:14] <Redphienix> 6Can't this be fit in a fairly commonly updated national paper?
  292. [17:15] <+TheJakal> Redphienix: Articles don't stick around for ever, they disappear after a few days...
  293. [17:15] <Redphienix> 6Middle or end have all that info?
  294. [17:15] <Mohammad_Bilal> Already suggested all this on forums
  295. [17:15] <Zafthfirst> TheJakal who said so?
  296. [17:15] <Redphienix> 6And can be re-released. Not to mention they are permanent just not on the top- fitting them in the welcome message for instance helps newbies see them.
  297. [17:15] <+TheJakal> Zafthfirst: they disappear of the front page
  298. [17:15] <Mohammad_Bilal> Redphienix,  You gotta search acounts then go thru all his articles etc
  299. [17:15] <Redphienix> 6And can be re-released. Not to mention they are permanent just not on the top- fitting them in the welcome message for instance helps newbies see them.
  300. [17:15] <@dodial> Redphienix: no active tools cannot be hosted on a newspaper :D
  301. [17:16] <Redphienix> 6I mean~
  302. [17:16] <@dodial> http://erepindia.com/index.php
  303. [17:16] <@dodial> look at thi ^
  304. [17:16] <@dodial> *this
  305. [17:16] <Redphienix> 6I don't mean that dodial, a constantly updated paper can have up-to-date-enough info.
  306. [17:16] <+TheJakal> Redphienix: so if you will do that how is it different to having the introduction article on epakistan.org/welcome.php?
  307. [17:16] <EinstienJr> Ministry of media can handle this afair
  308. [17:16] <@dodial> we dont want to emulate this, but it should give you a general idea
  309. [17:16] <Redphienix> 6Though I like your idea, I'm simply saying articles are forever and can be linked through the welcome message
  310. [17:16] <Redphienix> 6why bother with a site just for that information.
  311. [17:17] <Redphienix> 6government stuff on the other hand maybe. But even that I see being simplified onto a paper *shrugs*
  312. [17:17] <EinstienJr> if u guys can give me a chance i want to share something
  313. [17:17] <IshamaelNaeblis> Go ahead.
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  315. [17:17] <@dodial> the site must have automated tools to show info like are tax earnings, fiscal historical data, political contracts, new citizens etc
  316. [17:17] <Mohammad_Bilal> Well, to keep all this info on article's you will have to manage articles that disappear
  317. [17:17] <@dodial> even a central place for mentoring programs
  318. [17:17] <Redphienix> 6A more hardcore epaki toolbox.
  319. [17:18] <Redphienix> 6That I like, I'm just coming back to saying newbie information should be in an article linked on the welcome message.
  320. [17:18] <Redphienix> 6Not focused to be on the website only.
  321. [17:18] <EinstienJr> when av khan was minister and i join this game
  322. [17:18] <@dodial> Agreed on the newbie information thing
  323. [17:18] <Scorpion_king> the first look of the game is quite boring i think
  324. [17:18] <@dodial> newbies cant be brought to external websites straight.. it very difficult.. i agree
  325. [17:18] <EinstienJr> govt machinary was pretty active to find new players
  326. [17:19] <Scorpion_king> thats why many new players  leave this game
  327. [17:19] <EinstienJr> linking that with another game which i played vpopulus
  328. [17:19] <Redphienix> 6Oh vpop :3
  329. [17:19] <Scorpion_king> and in first look it is very difficult to understand the game
  330. [17:20] <EinstienJr> write proper articles on every step
  331. [17:20] <EinstienJr> left a link in welcm msg to report govt of that time
  332. [17:20] <EinstienJr> and than responsblty of govt to provide playr with that information
  333. [17:20] <@dodial> Let us close this topic first..
  334. [17:20] <Redphienix> 6My position simplified- a website for tools around epaki- I like. A website meant to recruit people and provide newbie help- don't like at all.
  335. [17:20] <@dodial> So IF we go for a website with a tool center
  336. [17:20] <@dodial> we need people to give time and energy in its development
  337. [17:20] <@dodial> + we need people skilled in development of course
  338. [17:20] <dingorider> .
  339. [17:21] <@dodial> all those in favor say AYE
  340. [17:21] <+TheJakal> dodial: I am already working on it, trying to figure out the API.
  341. [17:21] <Zafthfirst> oh my eye
  342. [17:21] <@dodial> and all those who can contribute say 'I CAN'
  343. [17:21] <Noman97> dodial there are very less people here in pakistan hio know web developing
  344. [17:21] <Mohammad_Bilal> I CAN
  345. [17:21] <Scorpion_king> i can
  346. 01[17:21] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I can
  347. [17:21] <superUD> I CAN
  348. [17:22] <Zafthfirst> yes we can
  349. [17:22] <AhmedUzair> I am a web designer
  350. [17:22] <superUD> i am a web developer
  351. 01[17:22] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Wonderful
  352. [17:22] <faris> 12:-)
  353. [17:22] <Zafthfirst> i don't know about the technical stuff tho :(
  354. [17:22] <Noman97> So i think Ahsan this matter is solved.
  355. 01[17:23] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I see 18 people here today which makes me happy i think we should do such meetings more often to do positive
  356. [17:23] <@dodial> Good stuff so we have plenty of web designers and developers
  357. [17:23] <Redphienix> 6For toolbox website- AYE.
  358. [17:23] <@dodial> I will make an announcement here then
  359. 01[17:23] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> positive participation*
  360. [17:23] <@dodial> everyone who said 'I CAN' please send the same to me in an in-game PM so i can keep track
  361. [17:24] <Mohammad_Bilal> dodial,  I can do some basics in develapment side and I can Manage site/forums as I have been managing 400 + members forums
  362. [17:24] <Mohammad_Bilal> development*
  363. [17:24] <Mehmood25> i think the PHP developer is not needed here?
  364. [17:24] <@dodial> everyone who contributes will be paid from the national budget for his work
  365. [17:24] <Mehmood25> real money?
  366. [17:24] <Mohammad_Bilal> lol
  367. [17:24] <+TheJakal> dodial: I am totally against you paying from the national budget.
  368. [17:24] <Redphienix> 6I like this initiative :3
  369. [17:25] <Redphienix> 6So Jakal, don't pay those putting their real world experience into a game to make the ecountry better?
  370. [17:25] <ClusterStorm> me also here
  371. [17:25] <ClusterStorm> i can
  372. [17:25] <Redphienix> 6I'm sorry but I support that pay.
  373. [17:25] <Mohammad_Bilal> TheJakal,  I'm wondering, do you ever agree on any thing ?
  374. [17:25] <Redphienix> 6And it's coming partly from my tax and not going to me as I'm not helping.
  375. [17:25] <@dodial> Mohammad_Bilal: lolz
  376. [17:25] <Redphienix> 6As e-tax-payer I support.
  377. [17:25] <+TheJakal> dodial: and if you really insist on paying, there are professionals who have actually done the work that you can pay to.
  378. [17:25] <IshamaelNaeblis> I'd rather people do it on a volunteer basis tbh..
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  380. 01[17:25] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> We need to do a vote now
  381. [17:26] <@dodial> unpaid labor produces unpaid work
  382. 01[17:26] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i guess !!
  383. [17:26] <Redphienix> 6Good work should be rewarded.
  384. [17:26] <Mehmood25> Ok
  385. [17:26] <+TheJakal> dodial: that isn't true
  386. [17:26] <+TheJakal> dodial: how much do you get paid for your work?
  387. 01[17:26] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Do you agree with Dodial Suggestion for paying from national budget as reward for the work and effort you put in ?
  388. [17:26] <+TheJakal> NO
  389. [17:26] <Mehmood25> YES
  390. 01[17:26] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> If you agree say Yes or Say No
  391. [17:26] <Noman97> YES
  392. [17:26] <@dodial> Ahsan_Shahbaz: that is not the point to vote on
  393. [17:26] <Mohammad_Bilal> YES
  394. [17:26] <faris> 12yes
  395. [17:26] <IshamaelNaeblis> No.
  396. [17:26] <Redphienix> 6YES.
  397. [17:26] <AhmedUzair> YES
  398. [17:26] <EinstienJr> yes
  399. [17:27] <@dodial> creating the budget is a ministry issue
  400. [17:27] <Mehmood25> Well there is more YES then No.
  401. [17:27] <@dodial> the point was to have a website or not
  402. [17:27] <Redphienix> 6AYE to website.
  403. [17:27] <IshamaelNaeblis> Obviously people are going to agree, its free dough lol.
  404. [17:27] <Scorpion_king> AYE!
  405. [17:27] <Redphienix> 6As long as includes the toolbox stuff.
  406. 01[17:27] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> 4 Should we have a website Yes or No ?
  407. [17:27] <Mehmood25> Yes
  408. [17:27] <AhmedUzair> Yes
  409. [17:27] <Scorpion_king> yes
  410. [17:27] <Redphienix> 6Yes- if includes tools.
  411. [17:27] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4I CAN MANAGE SITe/FORUMS AND I AGREE ON SITE YES
  412. [17:27] <Zafthfirst> Yes- if includes tools.
  413. [17:27] <Noman97> Ishmael i amnot doing the work but i still said uyes
  414. [17:27] <EinstienJr> no
  415. [17:28] <@dodial> Now TheJakal if we take the domain you have to host the national site..
  416. [17:28] <Redphienix> 6I agree to free dough, if by free you mean pay for a job :3
  417. [17:28] <Scorpion_king> ;)
  418. [17:28] <+TheJakal> dodial: you can have unrestricted access to the website, its wordpress based.
  419. [17:28] <@dodial> the nation would need some sort of gaurantee that you will not use its ownership as leverage to
  420. [17:28] <Redphienix> 6Crappy job- no pay :P
  421. [17:28] <@dodial> ..
  422. [17:28] <faris> 12YEs
  423. [17:28] <+TheJakal> dodial: LOL
  424. [17:28] <Mohammad_Bilal> dodial,  Eh
  425. 01[17:28] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I think we are going off topic here with person egos
  426. [17:28] <+TheJakal> that was the most insulting comment/question I have heard dodial
  427. [17:28] <Mohammad_Bilal> dodial,  He as a owner of site can go thru all info ;)
  428. [17:29] <@dodial> You must give a committment here to keep that out of politics
  429. [17:29] <Mehmood25> alright back to the Topic :D
  430. 01[17:29] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Yes Thank you
  431. [17:29] <@dodial> You must give a committment here to keep that out of politics
  432. [17:29] <@dodial> in words infront of everyone..
  433. 01[17:29] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I think this issue is debated enough now i am going to speak myself to this meeting
  434. [17:29] <Redphienix> 6So a genuine concern is insulting :3
  435. [17:29] <+TheJakal> before i commit, what gives you the right to accuse me of this?
  436. [17:29] <EinstienJr> dodial is right
  437. [17:29] <ClusterStorm> ...
  438. 03[17:29] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +m
  439. [17:29] <@dodial> i am not accusing you of anything..
  440. [17:30] <@dodial> if we invest time and money on building it.. then we need to have it secured for the country
  441. [17:30] <@dodial> I know you have yourself invested money to buy the domain..
  442. [17:30] <+TheJakal> I bought it for the game
  443. [17:30] <+TheJakal> I made that clear day one
  444. 03[17:30] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +v IshamaelNaeblis
  445. 01[17:30] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Can we stop this
  446. [17:30] <@dodial> but ones national effort goes into it.. it will belong to no individual..
  447. [17:30] <+IshamaelNaeblis> ^
  448. [17:31] <+TheJakal> no Ahsan_Shahbaz, this is part of the problem
  449. [17:31] <+TheJakal> the trust issue in this country which was the reason why you called this meeting.
  450. [17:31] <@dodial> common dont make this personal..
  451. [17:31] <@dodial> the current website is something that is currently your personal property
  452. [17:31] <+TheJakal> dodial: it is for the GAME
  453. [17:31] <@dodial> all I asking you to do is, to pledge it for ePakistan..
  454. [17:32] <+TheJakal> I already have dodial
  455. [17:32] <+TheJakal> if you care to listen in the past
  456. 01[17:32] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Alright issue is resolved.
  457. [17:32] <+TheJakal> and read all the PM I have sent you in the past
  458. 06[17:32] * +IshamaelNaeblis thinks we should move on..
  459. [17:32] <@dodial> what you say in this meeting matters only.. :)..
  460. [17:32] <@dodial> I just wanted everyone in this meeting to know it from you..
  461. [17:33] <+TheJakal> great
  462. [17:33] <+TheJakal> than one other thing you can address
  463. [17:33] <@dodial> this does not mean i dont trust you..
  464. [17:33] <+TheJakal> actually forget it
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  466. [17:33] <+TheJakal> dodial: I will grant whoever this meeting picks up full access to the page
  467. [17:33] <@dodial> and for all those who would like to know..
  468. [17:33] <@dodial> this is what you just sent me in a PM
  469. [17:34] <@dodial> <13:30        TheJakal>       who the fuck do you think you are << real mature :)
  470. [17:34] <+TheJakal> yes
  471. [17:34] <+TheJakal> I did
  472. [17:34] <@dodial> and then you speak of trust :).. I rest my case
  473. [17:35] <+TheJakal> If the people in ePakistan do not want to use ePakistan it is their choice. If no body is interested in it, it is their choice. But I am not a backstabber nor do I lie and cheat and make up stories to retain control.
  474. 01[17:35] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok guys
  475. [17:35] <+TheJakal> I will use the website to promote the game
  476. 01[17:35] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> this has gone enough
  477. [17:35] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Time to move on.
  478. 01[17:35] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Yes please
  479. [17:35] <+TheJakal> and I will let anyone use it to promote the game
  480. 01[17:35] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Order
  481. 03[17:35] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -v TheJakal
  482. 01[17:36] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Alright..
  483. [17:36] <+IshamaelNaeblis> That was harsh...you should have taken from both or neither..
  484. 01[17:36] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> We have other issues to discuss
  485. 03[17:36] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +v TheJakal
  486. 03[17:36] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -o dodial
  487. 03[17:36] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -v TheJakal
  488. 01[17:36] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I guess
  489. 01[17:36] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> thats fair ?
  490. [17:36] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Aye.
  491. 01[17:36] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Alright
  492. 01[17:37] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Now i am going to talk about the agenda which was here for this meeting
  493. 01[17:37] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> most of you have not spoken about the entire agenda but picked on one point yet
  494. 01[17:37] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I will begin by speaking on Reconciliation among pakistanis
  495. 01[17:38] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I think the issue over here in ePakistan is "I am always right" with few individuals who try to shape and influence the opinions
  496. 01[17:38] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I am all for politics and internal political rivalries
  497. 01[17:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> they are good yes .. but they are good if we continue them outside the game absolutely not
  498. 01[17:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I would like to make a proposal here today which will solve the conflicts of the previous few months
  499. 01[17:40] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> we will conduct primary elections on forums an rather the COE nominating the Presidential Candidate.
  500. 01[17:40] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> These elections will be transperent and all those who are hopeful will candidate themselves freely
  501. 01[17:41] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> This will address the concern of Council of Elders having to much power.
  502. 01[17:42] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Also in-order stop this fightings on channel mains i am working on rules for IRC which will be up on forums within next few days as well as an irc complaint section where you can post screenshots with complaints request
  503. 01[17:42] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> secondly I want all pakistanis to play this game and have fun rather then fighting among themselves
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  506. 01[17:42] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Have disagreements on policies rather then personalities
  507. 01[17:42] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> which is the problem that comes in our way of unity
  508. 01[17:43] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and that is the reason why Raao had gone in passive mode and this only damages
  509. 01[17:43] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> This is my lecture on Reconciliation
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  512. 01[17:44] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Secondly
  513. 01[17:45] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> We had long term goals and planning section
  514. 01[17:46] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i discussed the forum election proposal above for long term goal and planning
  515. 01[17:46] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> We also have ready consitution which i will present to you right now in few mins
  516. 01[17:46] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> this will give us a logical way of doing things
  517. 01[17:48] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Secondly we need to run an active media
  518. 01[17:48] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Our media dies down this suggestion was proposed earlier by dingorider
  519. 01[17:48] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> so i will not waste your time on that
  520. 01[17:48] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Now i will come to last past of the agenda
  521. 01[17:48] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> which is the constitution
  522. 01[17:49] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> The consitution will be presented and you can send me your suggestions for changes
  523. 01[17:49] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> also i would like a vote on a consitutional committee whether it should be established so that we can prepare the consitution in weeks time
  524. 01[17:50] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I would like that congress members nominate one person for this committee
  525. 01[17:51] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Now I am going to give you link
  526. 01[17:51] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> of consitution
  527. 01[17:51] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and will establish a forum thread on erepublikpk.co.cc
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  529. 01[17:52] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and conclude my long speech i hope you are not bored
  530. 01[17:52] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1qlekaqGi1WRxSH7tCJ3FOOvouSRs4nJBLPH2qIQYslE
  531. 03[17:53] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -m
  532. 03[17:53] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +v TheJakal
  533. 02[17:53] * dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  534. 03[17:53] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +o dodial
  535. [17:53] <Redphienix> 6SO BORED
  536. [17:53] <Zafthfirst> ahhhh
  537. [17:53] <Zafthfirst> freedom
  538. 06[17:53] * Redphienix 6joking
  539. [17:53] <Zafthfirst> i can breathe now
  540. 01[17:53] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Please continue the discussion
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  542. [17:53] <Redphienix> 6On what?
  543. [17:54] <Redphienix> 6I believe we are on to another issue or something.
  544. [17:54] <|r3AcT0r|> sorry disconnected
  545. 02[17:54] * +TheJakal (TheJakal@Rizon-A0384948.rev.sfr.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
  546. [17:54] <+IshamaelNaeblis> I have a query.
  547. [17:54] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> Looks nice. However, depends if others can follow this or not.
  548. [17:54] <+IshamaelNaeblis> The committee is going to be one person besides you?  Thats it?
  549. 02[17:54] * faris (cgiirc@56230CB0.F6965A4A.807366BF.IP) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  550. 01[17:54] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Lol ?
  551. 01[17:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> read again
  552. 01[17:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i said congress member nominates 1 individual each
  553. 01[17:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> which means 10 members
  554. 01[17:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> they can nominate themselves
  555. 01[17:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if they are up for the job
  556. [17:55] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Ah, alright.
  557. 01[17:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i was heading the previous committee which is mostly inactive now
  558. [17:55] <+IshamaelNaeblis> My bad.
  559. 01[17:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> we need fresh committee now
  560. [17:56] <Redphienix> 6^ :D
  561. [17:56] <Redphienix> 6Like
  562. [17:56] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> I could participate in this task. I have fresh knowledge about government since I've remained in the government on SAMP(Ahsan knows)
  563. 01[17:56] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Also if congress decides i can discontinue as being the advocate of consitution
  564. 01[17:56] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> through a vote :P
  565. 01[17:56] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> as in remove me as head
  566. [17:56] <+IshamaelNaeblis> You know I've had doubts about this plan...laikin I see your hard work.
  567. [17:57] <+IshamaelNaeblis> So Im voting yes for this
  568. 01[17:57] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok guys
  569. [17:57] <|r3AcT0r|> I vote YES as well
  570. [17:57] <superUD> i am also voting yes,.
  571. [17:57] <Redphienix> 6Supported.
  572. [17:57] <Osmann> Support
  573. [17:58] <Osmann> You are doing a lot of effort
  574. [17:58] <Osmann> :D
  575. [17:58] <Zafthfirst> HELL YEAH
  576. [17:58] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> Supported. Believe me, this is nothing from Ahsan ^.^
  577. [17:58] <Redphienix> 6Haven't seen a good constitution in 2 years.
  578. 01[17:58] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok
  579. [17:59] <EinstienJr> yes
  580. 01[17:59] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> now lets talk about forum primary elections
  581. 01[17:59] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i guess everyone understood that or do i need to clarify
  582. 01[17:59] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ?
  583. [17:59] <Redphienix> 6Forum based correcrt?
  584. 01[17:59] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> yes
  585. [17:59] <Redphienix> 6Everyone able to run if wanting to?
  586. 01[17:59] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> yes
  587. [17:59] <Redphienix> 6Then yes.
  588. [18:00] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> Elections about? Clarify them to me in PM since I've returned today.
  589. [18:00] <+IshamaelNaeblis> I dunno..
  590. [18:00] <Redphienix> 6What's up then Ish :3
  591. [18:00] <superUD> i also need clarification..
  592. 01[18:00] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Country President or Party President
  593. 01[18:00] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> any elections i dont mind
  594. [18:00] <+IshamaelNaeblis> this is a double edged sword. Primaries tend to be influenced by elders (in all countries)
  595. [18:01] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> Ah..
  596. [18:01] <superUD> ohm..
  597. [18:01] <superUD> YES
  598. 01[18:01] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ishamael Elders will have no role in this
  599. [18:01] <Redphienix> 6Keeping it clean and "post your goals for election and let the forum decide" seems fair enough.
  600. [18:01] <+IshamaelNaeblis> I'm undecided, quite frankly.
  601. [18:01] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Also, will we be able to see who voted for who?
  602. [18:01] <Redphienix> 6No weighted votes afterall.
  603. 01[18:01] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Yes you will be
  604. 01[18:01] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> any other query
  605. [18:01] <+IshamaelNaeblis> And anyone who is candidating will have no privs on the forum, correct?
  606. [18:02] <Redphienix> 6^
  607. 06[18:02] * Osmann is undecided
  608. [18:02] <Redphienix> 6Truth.
  609. [18:02] <Mohammad_Bilal> Yes we should have pre election board on FORUMS
  610. 01[18:02] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Everyone can see who voted who
  611. 01[18:02] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> privs on forums as in ?
  612. 01[18:02] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> please elaborate
  613. [18:02] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: party elections should be the issue of the party
  614. 01[18:02] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ?
  615. [18:02] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Admin privs.
  616. [18:02] <|r3AcT0r|> congress elections, should be handled by the party presidents
  617. [18:02] <Redphienix> 6It's pretty simple. If you want to run you post your stuff on the forum. Regular citizens vote. Whoever wins is the only to run for the position in-game.
  618. 01[18:02] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ishamael elections will be through a post
  619. [18:02] <|r3AcT0r|> and presidential elections should be a free for all. best candidate wins.
  620. [18:02] <Mohammad_Bilal> IshamaelNaeblis,  privs doesn't really matter
  621. [18:03] <|r3AcT0r|> there should be no CoE or Elders
  622. [18:03] <+IshamaelNaeblis> You'd say that Bilal, you have privs.
  623. [18:03] <+IshamaelNaeblis> I want answer. YES or NO.
  624. [18:03] <Zafthfirst> no body should be able to see who voted who
  625. [18:03] <Zafthfirst> thia is not how elections work
  626. [18:03] <|r3AcT0r|> because everytime you start to discuss something with the elders their main defence is how they did so much for ePakistan and enver said anything
  627. [18:03] <+IshamaelNaeblis> ^
  628. [18:03] <Mohammad_Bilal> IshamaelNaeblis,  Lol everyone will be able to see who voted whom so what's the plus point for privs ?
  629. [18:03] <Redphienix> 6This is a common practice all, nothing to worry on. No weighted votes- no privs influencing
  630. [18:03] <Zafthfirst> people will not be free to decide
  631. [18:04] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Im asking Ahsan, Bilal.
  632. 01[18:04] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> 4 I would like to speak and make this discussion constructive
  633. [18:04] <+IshamaelNaeblis> It is pretty constructive from what I can see..
  634. 01[18:04] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Elders have done work I an not CoE member i dont doubt that. But with forum elections elders will no longer have power
  635. 01[18:04] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> to make cp candidates which was main issue
  636. [18:04] <Redphienix> 6ANYONE
  637. [18:04] <Redphienix> 6CAN
  638. [18:04] <Redphienix> 6RUN
  639. 01[18:04] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> elders role will be constructive
  640. [18:05] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Anyone could technically run before too, Red.
  641. [18:05] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Just needed a party lol.
  642. [18:05] <@dodial> Ahsan_Shahbaz: CoE is already dissolved
  643. [18:05] <Redphienix> 6The people vote on the primaries, and whoever wins from the VOTE gets to run in-game.
  644. 01[18:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and non-political from that onwards
  645. 01[18:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I see
  646. [18:05] <@dodial> it was created to counter the PTO thread
  647. [18:05] <@dodial> there is no more use...
  648. 01[18:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  649. [18:05] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Oh, that is a good move Dodial ^.^
  650. [18:05] <Zafthfirst> dodial and who did that?
  651. [18:05] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: Party Presidential elections should be a party issue and the responsibility of the party president, congress elections should be the responsibility of the Party Presidents of all the parties.
  652. 01[18:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> 4 COE is disolved then i will have to rename the Senate like body
  653. 01[18:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> in consitution
  654. 01[18:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and make it more open to ideas
  655. [18:06] <+IshamaelNaeblis> You had a place for CoE in constitution?
  656. [18:06] <+IshamaelNaeblis> :/
  657. [18:06] <Zafthfirst> COE cannot be resolved if one person says so
  658. [18:06] <@dodial> all those who continue to spew uninformed poison for against everyone in it.. are just lousy critics.. who have done nothing else for the country.. but that
  659. [18:06] <Zafthfirst> disolved*
  660. 01[18:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Reactor however I think party presidents should finalize an offical list atleast
  661. [18:06] <|r3AcT0r|> as for CP elections, parties can endorse candidates but really it should be the best candidate should win.
  662. 01[18:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> jakal
  663. 01[18:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I am not getting your point here
  664. [18:07] <@dodial> Zafthfirst: CoE's only purpose was to counter the PTO..
  665. [18:07] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Dodial, if that is aimed at me, Im asking questions which I believe are legitimate.
  666. [18:07] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: which point?
  667. [18:07] <@dodial> it did that successfuly,
  668. [18:07] <Zafthfirst> PTO threat still stands
  669. [18:07] <@dodial> we dont need needless trolling any more
  670. [18:07] <Redphienix> 6This is a game sadly, not real life. 'best candidate' is something we can find in primaries to protect the country *shrugs*.
  671. 01[18:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> r you not in favour of forum cp elections ?
  672. [18:07] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: nope
  673. 01[18:08] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  674. [18:08] <+IshamaelNaeblis> In the current format, No.
  675. [18:08] <Redphienix> 6And your reason against it is 'best candidate should win'
  676. [18:08] <@dodial> Zafthfirst: yes.. but forum election can take care of it now
  677. 01[18:08] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Can I speak please
  678. [18:08] <Redphienix> 6I don't get it. You are ignoring the game mechanics a bit :/
  679. [18:08] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: ill answer after Ahsan_Shahbaz
  680. 01[18:08] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i think forums elections are misunderstood*
  681. 01[18:08] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Firstly
  682. [18:08] <Zafthfirst> dodial:only if forum elections are voted yes
  683. 01[18:09] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I proposed it and i think i should clarify this misconception as we all know in real life there are primary elections held to select candidates for top jobs of the country pakistan is an exception think internationally
  684. 01[18:09] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> We can develop a mechanism for this
  685. 01[18:09] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> which is debatable
  686. [18:10] <Mehmood25> Urdu : bhai aap tou aik bundi ki bat sun raha hoo aur baqi sab kia fariq hain?
  687. [18:10] <Mehmood25> English: Bhai, You are just listening to one person and what about the whole ePakistan Community ? they are agreed at some places about what if one person is not agreed? does it make sense?
  688. [18:10] <Mehmood25> 
  689. [18:10] <Zafthfirst> we were told that COE is democratic,now one person dissolves it with concerning others..WOW just WOW
  690. 01[18:10] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> CAN I SPEAK ?
  691. 01[18:10] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> or should i do +m
  692. 01[18:10] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ?
  693. [18:10] <Zafthfirst> dhamki
  694. 01[18:10] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> mein kisi ki baat nai sun raha mein ideas to shape ker raha houn
  695. [18:10] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Ahsan, you're probably speaking more than everyone put together lol.
  696. [18:10] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Let them take their bharaas out :P
  697. 01[18:10] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok please lemme continue
  698. 01[18:11] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> When can develop a mechanism where internal party elections are held for cp candidates from that party on forums
  699. [18:11] <@dodial> Zafthfirst: the only purpose of CoE was to do a primary selection of potential candidates.. it is not dissolved by any one person, only its purpose has ended
  700. 01[18:11] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> then we can have national elections for cp
  701. 01[18:11] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> or we can do whoever party president nominates on forums
  702. [18:12] <+IshamaelNaeblis> The party president thing would work in a country with legit parties..
  703. 01[18:12] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i just want the system to be more open and fair to everyone if party president is gonna select cp candidate for his choice this will create new dictators...
  704. [18:12] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Most of the parties in our countries are basically the same, I honestly approve of this PP endorsement for CP plan.
  705. [18:13] <+IshamaelNaeblis> country*
  706. [18:13] <+IshamaelNaeblis> honestly cannot**
  707. 01[18:13] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok I am going to make a vote now
  708. [18:13] <Redphienix> 6THANK YOU.
  709. [18:13] <@dodial> YES
  710. [18:14] <superUD> YES
  711. [18:14] <+IshamaelNaeblis> No.
  712. 01[18:14] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> 4 Do you Agree for Forums Elections for CP post? (mention any different procedures if you support)
  713. [18:14] <Redphienix> 6I expected a simple sentence after saying "To do this, yes or no" but fine
  714. 01[18:14] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ishamael
  715. 01[18:14] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> vote will be transperent
  716. 01[18:14] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if thats your concern
  717. [18:14] <@dodial> NO
  718. [18:14] <|r3AcT0r|> NO, those looking to be CP candidates should propose their campaign in articles and talk to all the different party presidents
  719. [18:14] <EinstienJr> NO
  720. [18:14] <|r3AcT0r|> to gather votes
  721. [18:15] <+IshamaelNaeblis> lol
  722. [18:15] <Redphienix> 6Yes, having primaries on the forum protects us in dangerous times and allows for a nice area to point people during the pre-election media fest :3
  723. [18:15] <superUD> Election for CP is not fair,
  724. 01[18:15] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  725. [18:15] <@dodial> i vote No for transparent vote
  726. 01[18:15] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  727. 01[18:15] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> then the issue is rejected
  728. 01[18:15] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> not enough majority
  729. [18:15] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> What if candidates duplicate accounts to get more votes on forum?
  730. [18:15] <Zafthfirst> mera vote tou lai lo LOL
  731. [18:15] <@dodial> YES for primary voting, NO for transparent
  732. 01[18:15] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  733. [18:16] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4NO TRANSPARENT VOTES N PARTY PRESIDENT SHOULD SELECT CP CANDIDATE AFTER REVIEWING THEIR PRESENTATION/MANIFESTO
  734. 01[18:16] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> please vote
  735. [18:16] <Redphienix> 6I figure having a threads in the CP area from proposed candidates where they discuss policy would be awesome. Then a poll opens for the 'primary vote'.
  736. [18:16] <Osmann> Agree with Dodial
  737. [18:16] <Redphienix> 6I figure having a threads in the CP area from proposed candidates where they discuss policy would be awesome. Then a poll opens for the 'primary vote'. IF THIS THEN YES.
  738. 01[18:16] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> OK
  739. [18:16] <EinstienJr> guys i have a concern
  740. 01[18:16] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Yes please ?
  741. [18:16] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> You guys are not taking this dilemma seriously, what if candidates duplicate accounts to get more votes on forum?
  742. 01[18:16] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Badar ?
  743. [18:17] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> hi
  744. [18:17] <Redphienix> 6Admin can see this
  745. 01[18:17] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Thats why admins are on forums
  746. 01[18:17] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> lol
  747. [18:17] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Pretty sure IPs are trackable on forum..or atleast they used to be.
  748. 01[18:17] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> they are
  749. [18:17] <Redphienix> 6having an account in game linked to each vote would be the final tally.
  750. [18:17] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> What if admins are lazy enough to check each IP? xD
  751. 01[18:17] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> We wont be trust me
  752. [18:17] <+IshamaelNaeblis> What if one of the admins is a candidate?
  753. [18:17] <Mohammad_Bilal> Badar_Fateh_Khan,  its just one click to check
  754. [18:17] <Redphienix> 6Underestimatin' a bit :P
  755. 01[18:17] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Mybb forums let you see all accounts from same ip
  756. [18:17] <EinstienJr> with CoE...how u ppls wil keep track of elections & eliminate threat of PTO?
  757. [18:17] <superUD> you may varified candidates by sending verification mail on their eRepublik account manually.
  758. 01[18:17] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> in click
  759. [18:17] <EinstienJr> we r a very smal comunity
  760. [18:17] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> Mohammad, it's easier said than done.
  761. 01[18:18] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Mybb forums let you see all accounts from same ip
  762. 01[18:18] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> in click
  763. 01[18:18] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> admin is king :P
  764. 01[18:18] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> lol jk
  765. [18:18] <superUD> its easy to hide ip in fourms.
  766. 01[18:18] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> proxies can be tracked
  767. [18:18] <superUD> or change ip..
  768. [18:18] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> What about google doc?
  769. [18:18] <Mohammad_Bilal> superUD,  try
  770. [18:18] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> We can gather votes on google doc.
  771. [18:18] <Mehmood25> but u cant hide ur Proxy
  772. 01[18:18] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> every account on forum will have to have erep account
  773. [18:18] <+IshamaelNaeblis> What about IP changers?
  774. [18:18] <Redphienix> 6Which is why votes would only be counted if a legit in-game account can be attached.
  775. 01[18:18] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> vote will be disallowed if no erep account is there
  776. [18:18] <Redphienix> 6Problem solved o-O
  777. 01[18:18] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and you will think 1000 times before making a multi on erep
  778. [18:19] <Zafthfirst> EinstienJr:what CoE?? Lol
  779. 01[18:19] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> problem solved
  780. [18:19] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Ahsan, we all know about the amount of multis in ePK
  781. [18:19] <EinstienJr> i mean with out coe
  782. [18:19] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> I believe google doc is better, seems more secure.
  783. [18:19] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Im not for this. Too many loop holes.
  784. [18:19] <EinstienJr> pardon me sir
  785. 01[18:19] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ishamael meray bhai tum chief election commissioner baan jana
  786. [18:19] <AhmedUzair> Badar_Fateh_Khan: has genuine concern, I have a QUBEE connection and they assigned me a Dynamic IP means my IP is not always same   
  787. [18:19] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Not interested.
  788. 01[18:20] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> :P
  789. 01[18:20] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Lets have a vote please
  790. 01[18:20] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ?
  791. [18:20] <Redphienix> 6Simple sentence please-
  792. [18:20] <+IshamaelNaeblis> State your proposal first, in clear terms.
  793. 01[18:20] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> we are only going to vote on idea technical issues will be addressed in consitution
  794. 01[18:20] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> can we vote on the idea
  795. [18:20] <Mohammad_Bilal> Which idea
  796. [18:20] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Okay.
  797. 01[18:21] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> all concerns will be discussed when giving the final shape
  798. [18:21] <AhmedUzair> k
  799. 01[18:21] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> thank you
  800. [18:21] <Redphienix> 6Can you not post in simple term to mark vote start :P
  801. 01[18:21] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> 4 Do you vote Yes or no for Forum CP elections ?
  802. [18:21] <|r3AcT0r|> No
  803. 02[18:21] * EinstienJr (cgiirc@79E2F342.E6E4D5F7.7E8D60A3.IP) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  804. [18:21] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> Sorry but no.
  805. [18:21] <superUD> NO,
  806. [18:21] <+IshamaelNaeblis> No
  807. [18:21] <Zafthfirst> no
  808. [18:21] <Redphienix> 6Yes. It is a simple feature meant to counteract the dangers of the broken in-game mechanics.
  809. [18:22] <Redphienix> 6*shrugs*.
  810. 01[18:22] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Anyone else ?
  811. [18:22] <Osmann> No sir
  812. 01[18:22] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok
  813. [18:22] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> How about votes taken on google doc?
  814. [18:22] <AhmedUzair> this good Idea but have some concerns IF you can solve all concerns then yes else no
  815. 01[18:23] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Badar as if its not hard to make a gmail account
  816. 01[18:23] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> lol
  817. [18:23] <Redphienix> 6x3
  818. 01[18:23] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I will solve the concerns
  819. [18:23] <superUD> Yes,
  820. [18:23] <Redphienix> 6Might I throw a bull idea out there? Got distracted with all this. Or would you rather finish some more stuff first :3
  821. [18:23] <AhmedUzair> ok then yes
  822. 01[18:23] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if concerns are not solved this issue will be excluded
  823. [18:23] <+IshamaelNaeblis> no
  824. 01[18:23] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> wait
  825. 01[18:23] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> LETS have a vote one last time all concerns will be solved !!
  826. 06[18:24] * @Ahsan_Shahbaz slaps Mehmood25 around a bit with a large trout
  827. 06[18:24] * @Ahsan_Shahbaz slaps Mohammad_Bilal around a bit with a large trout
  828. [18:24] <AhmedUzair> yes
  829. [18:24] <+IshamaelNaeblis> I think we had a fairly conclusive vote last time.
  830. [18:24] <+IshamaelNaeblis> ^ Garnering support from lackeys.
  831. 01[18:24] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> people keep asking questions
  832. 01[18:24] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> alright
  833. 01[18:24] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> the issue is rejected then...
  834. [18:24] <Mohammad_Bilal> YES
  835. 01[18:24] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> wtf
  836. [18:25] <Redphienix> 6Might as well cut it for now UNTIL you can come in with a full proof block on why it's clean. I agree with it but why drag this out now? Type a page and post and we can agree :3
  837. [18:25] <Redphienix> 6but that's for later.
  838. 01[18:25] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok
  839. [18:25] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Indeed, the issue is rejected.
  840. [18:25] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4 But no to CHIEF EECTION COMMISIONER!
  841. 01[18:25] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i will just keep typing again to adress the concerns
  842. 01[18:25] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> LOL
  843. [18:25] <Mohammad_Bilal> :D
  844. [18:25] <Redphienix> 6What about chief erection?
  845. [18:25] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Yes.
  846. [18:25] <+IshamaelNaeblis> lol
  847. [18:25] <Redphienix> 6NEXT THEN?
  848. 01[18:26] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> 1. IP issue is very easy to solve proxy can be tracked plus every forum account should have a linked erepublik account. Secondly the accounts made only on voting day for votes will be disallowed.
  849. [18:26] <Mehmood25> .
  850. [18:26] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Ahsan, I think we voted No.
  851. [18:26] <superUD> agreed..
  852. [18:26] <+IshamaelNaeblis> The choice was quite clear.
  853. 01[18:26] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ishamael
  854. [18:26] <Mohammad_Bilal> Let him continue
  855. [18:27] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Move on please, instead of swaying people and slapping them to get YES votes for YOUR opinion.
  856. [18:27] <Redphienix> 6Ahsan we are good. It can be argued very clearly but for now consider it a no and post a page on the forum and an article pointing to it for another debate
  857. 01[18:27] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i think i will go with the first vote then
  858. 01[18:27] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> which was majority yes
  859. [18:27] <Redphienix> 6we will end up chewing up all our time on one issue and what's the point in that?
  860. 01[18:27] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> before badar came in
  861. [18:27] <Zafthfirst> Ahsan_Shahbazi if the concerns are addressed,and people want it,we can vote again later,this issue is closed for now
  862. 01[18:27] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  863. [18:27] <Redphienix> 6Closed for now.
  864. 01[18:27] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> IRC rules and regulations and complaints sections Vote Please ?
  865. [18:27] <Redphienix> 6Yes.
  866. [18:27] <Redphienix> 6Makes sense
  867. [18:27] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Yes.
  868. [18:27] <Redphienix> 6I hate rules but why not have them?
  869. [18:28] <Badar_Fateh_Khan> Yes, seems legit.
  870. [18:28] <Zafthfirst> yes
  871. 01[18:28] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> anyone else ?
  872. 01[18:28] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok
  873. 01[18:28] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i will publish a meeting brief
  874. 01[18:28] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> in a bit
  875. 01[18:28] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> one last thing
  876. [18:28] <superUD> dear i want to say some thing
  877. [18:29] <Redphienix> 6Me too
  878. 01[18:29] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> when do we call a meeting of congress for Consitutional committee nominations
  879. 01[18:29] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ?
  880. [18:29] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: IRC channel should be managed by a neutral person who doesn't hold grudges.
  881. 01[18:29] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> go ahead please
  882. [18:29] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4 YES
  883. [18:29] <superUD> Sir I also want to adress to metting.
  884. [18:29] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: nor does he belong to a specific group. I propose you or raao as responsible holders of #epakistan
  885. [18:29] <|r3AcT0r|> with no admins and no operators
  886. [18:29] <Redphienix> 6Should also be pretty active to gauge activity. To better handle the messages on complaints.'
  887. 01[18:30] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Reactor we need admins we can do vote for them
  888. 01[18:30] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and make them democratic i guess
  889. 01[18:30] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> me and raao cant be here all the time
  890. [18:30] <|r3AcT0r|> well if you need admins, than party presidents should become admins
  891. [18:30] <Redphienix> 6Might I recommend superUD go now? I'll go after if that's fine :3
  892. [18:30] <|r3AcT0r|> or even better
  893. 01[18:30] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> yes
  894. [18:30] <|r3AcT0r|> congress members should be operators
  895. [18:30] <|r3AcT0r|> during that month
  896. [18:30] <|r3AcT0r|> which means the list changes every month
  897. [18:30] <|r3AcT0r|> with the exception of the channel owner
  898. [18:30] <Redphienix> 6That just sounds like hassle for no reason.
  899. [18:30] <+IshamaelNaeblis> You're talking about 10 operators...
  900. [18:31] <Redphienix> 6A person can determine whether someone was being a dick or not without all the other fluff
  901. [18:31] <Mohammad_Bilal> I disagree
  902. [18:31] <|r3AcT0r|> IshamaelNaeblis: pick 5 from them.
  903. 01[18:31] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> guys guys guys
  904. [18:31] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Ok then sure.
  905. 01[18:31] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> we are going to much details
  906. [18:31] <|r3AcT0r|> there are people in #epakistan that abuse their powers
  907. 01[18:31] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> we will call another meeting on such issues next sunday
  908. [18:31] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Agreed.
  909. [18:31] <Redphienix> 6I say simply put up the rules and have a couple people determine whether people break said rules by being arses.
  910. [18:31] <Redphienix> 6Seems simple and doesn't require constant change and the like.
  911. 01[18:31] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> now let me have SuperUD speak
  912. [18:31] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: sadly its still gangster type attitude in there
  913. [18:31] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4 I DISAGREE ON CONGRESSMEN BEING OP's etc. WE SHOULD HAVE RULES ON #ePAKISTAN CHANNEL AND OWNER CAN ASSIGN WHO EVER HE TRUSTS!
  914. 01[18:31] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> he is wanting to speak something
  915. 01[18:31] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> now let me have SuperUD speak
  916. 01[18:31] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> he is wanting to speak something
  917. 03[18:32] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +m
  918. 03[18:32] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +v superUD
  919. 01[18:32] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> you may speak now
  920. [18:32] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Bilal, talking in all caps and red colour doesnt make your opinion any more valid.
  921. 01[18:32] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> after this read will speak
  922. [18:32] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Ill stop.
  923. [18:32] <+superUD> Dear friends!
  924. [18:33] <+superUD> we have to discuss our major problems...i have an idea to librate our region from china.
  925. [18:33] <+superUD> we are only 18 or more active in this game and we are fighting with each other.
  926. [18:34] <+superUD> why not we make friends from other countries with high ranks and ask them for help us to librate our regions..
  927. [18:35] <+superUD> we have to make friends from India,NorthKoria and other countries which have enemity with China.
  928. [18:35] <+superUD> we have to work togeather and must have a list of active users list and each are must in contact with each other.
  929. [18:36] <+superUD> what if we make one or two friends with GOD OF WAR ranks,which are better then 100 newbies.
  930. [18:37] <+superUD> thanks....
  931. [18:37] <+superUD> you may discuss
  932. 01[18:37] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Alright i would like to open discussion for next 5mins unless red wants to speak first
  933. 01[18:37] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> because he has been waiting for a long time
  934. 01[18:38] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> we will discuss SuperUD point
  935. 01[18:38] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and then red will speak
  936. 03[18:38] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -m
  937. [18:38] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4 IshamaelNaeblis, COMMENTING AFTER Ahsan_Shahbaz MUTED THIS CHANNEL DOESN'T MAKE YOUR OPINION VALID EITHER.
  938. [18:38] <Redphienix> 6Divisions are an important thing, this is a nice motion and shows you are wanting to fight for the glory of ePaki. But a couple gods of war won't do all the work. Not to mention they have a huge country- a couple gods won't change that.
  939. [18:38] <+IshamaelNaeblis> I was typing it when he muted it.
  940. [18:38] <Mohammad_Bilal> whatever
  941. 01[18:38] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Guys please
  942. [18:38] <+IshamaelNaeblis> I can reiterate my point now, its not like you can come up with a coherent reply anyway lol
  943. 01[18:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> sorry
  944. 03[18:39] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +m
  945. 01[18:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Sorry for +M
  946. 01[18:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i speak bullshit when i talk about reconcillation
  947. [18:39] <+superUD> no i don'd said that they should change their citizenship,.they can fight for us,
  948. 01[18:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if you guys wanna argue on national meeting over your personal fueds
  949. 01[18:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> please do it in query
  950. 01[18:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> lets stay on topic here
  951. 01[18:39] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> thank you
  952. 03[18:39] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -m
  953. [18:40] <+superUD> as an alience.
  954. [18:40] <Redphienix> 6I'm not arguing citizenship :3 Just divisions are important things
  955. [18:40] <Redphienix> 6to consider
  956. 01[18:40] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> please discuss SuperUD ideas only
  957. [18:40] <Zafthfirst> ishamael ki voice khatam karo,mai nahi khelta
  958. [18:40] <+superUD> devision 4 have most points,..we can be make some good friends in all divisions,..
  959. [18:40] <Mohammad_Bilal> +!
  960. [18:40] <Mohammad_Bilal> +1
  961. [18:40] <Redphienix> 6we have allies and it's not enough- we need all allies to unite and come to fight with us if we are to win, and then it's possible for them to simply retake the land after our allies leave.
  962. [18:40] <+IshamaelNaeblis> Pehla FYROM nationality walo kai admin privs khatam karo epakistan channel sai
  963. 03[18:41] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -v IshamaelNaeblis
  964. [18:41] <Mehmood25> ?
  965. [18:41] <Redphienix> 6It's a mix of us finding the right time to attack (when they need another battle more) and them not wanting it back.
  966. 03[18:41] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -v superUD
  967. 03[18:41] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -o Ahsan_Shahbaz
  968. 03[18:41] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Ahsan_Shahbaz
  969. 03[18:41] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -o dodial
  970. [18:41] <superUD> we may make friends commanders of army of different friend countries and captain to post daily duty.
  971. 01[18:41] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Can we talk about topic here
  972. 01[18:41] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i can also kick ban here if the decorum is not maintained
  973. 02[18:42] * Badar_Fateh_Khan (cgiirc@EF16BA5.99716460.24AB88C2.IP) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  974. 01[18:42] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> thank you
  975. 03[18:42] * IshamaelNaeblis (cgiirc@1986BA74.434900BA.43D5492B.IP) has left #epak.meeting
  976. 03[18:42] * Osmann (qwebirc@Rizon-5D939BCD.link.net.pk) has left #epak.meeting
  977. [18:42] <Zafthfirst> ?
  978. [18:42] <superUD> to make them unite,.we have to cantact them.,not making allience agreement is enough
  979. [18:42] <|r3AcT0r|> superUD: It isn't that simple, we need more new players who will play regularly in order to win against China. In the short term we could reach out to several countries and MU's but it will be costly and pointless as we will lose future battles.
  980. [18:43] <Redphienix> 6Making some friends with actual MUs would be nice, but that's a tall order requiring work and friendships.
  981. [18:43] <Redphienix> 6Exactly.
  982. 03[18:43] * wehshigujjar is now known as tinytoony
  983. 03[18:43] * Osmann (qwebirc@Rizon-5D939BCD.link.net.pk) has joined #epak.meeting
  984. [18:43] <Redphienix> 6It's a complicated area we find ourselves in atm. We are simply too weak and a mix of diplomacy might be the only use we have
  985. [18:43] <Redphienix> 6MIGHT.
  986. 03[18:44] * IshamaelNaeblis (cgiirc@1986BA74.434900BA.43D5492B.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  987. [18:44] <superUD> but its dutty of congress man and prasident. but if you want to librate and conquare the world,..you have to work hard.
  988. [18:44] <Zafthfirst> mai mazak kar raha tha waisay IshamaelNaeblis
  989. [18:44] <|r3AcT0r|> superUD: We require a strong CP who is known in the game to move forward.
  990. [18:44] <Redphienix> 6True
  991. [18:44] <AhmedUzair> superUD: your idea is good but to maintain our hold on our reagion we need lots of NEW PLAYERS atlest 3000 -5000
  992. [18:44] <Redphienix> 6but it's a simple concept
  993. [18:44] <Redphienix> 6we are weak
  994. [18:44] <Redphienix> 6we attack and win
  995. [18:44] <Redphienix> 6with help from others
  996. [18:44] <Redphienix> 6other leave
  997. [18:44] <Redphienix> 6we get wiped in retaliation
  998. [18:44] <IshamaelNaeblis> I'd like to answer this as MoFA.
  999. [18:44] <ClusterStorm> ...
  1000. [18:44] <IshamaelNaeblis> Thats partly why I rejoined btw. ^^
  1001. [18:44] <Redphienix> 6I want to fight more than anything, but it needs a knowing hand to help it along.
  1002. [18:45] <IshamaelNaeblis> Cluster, either say something useful or stay quiet. Saying ... is not constructive.
  1003. 01[18:45] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Reactor
  1004. 01[18:45] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> know in the game is not criteria
  1005. [18:45] <superUD> i know,.if we have regions and regional bonces then most member may be migrate to our country,.
  1006. [18:45] <ClusterStorm> OK
  1007. [18:45] <Redphienix> 6Agreed, that's around 90% of what I see you type cluster x3
  1008. 01[18:45] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> only those who become CP get knowned
  1009. [18:45] <Osmann> Have to face the harsh reality..
  1010. [18:45] <IshamaelNaeblis> Khair, as MoFA, I would like to answer this.
  1011. [18:45] <IshamaelNaeblis> Can I?
  1012. 01[18:45] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> or those who are influential otherwise
  1013. [18:45] <Redphienix> 6Please, talk Ish
  1014. [18:46] <IshamaelNaeblis> Our position ingame and in world position is weak..extremely weak.
  1015. [18:46] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: thats a seperate conversation, do you want me to answer here or in your private message.
  1016. [18:46] <Redphienix> 6You're our face to other countries right now, makes sense for you to explain diplomatic actions in this event :D
  1017. [18:46] <IshamaelNaeblis> We are a pro ONE country, but because of our NAP with China, there are certain countries in ONE that we cannot MPP.
  1018. [18:46] <IshamaelNaeblis> Also, our population is small, so we face an ever present threat from EDEN countries (Ukraine and Croatia) who try to PTO us.
  1019. [18:47] <IshamaelNaeblis> Frankly, our best choice right now would be to consolidate our position, increase in number, and in strength, and mantain control of the one peice of land that we actually have.
  1020. [18:48] <Redphienix> 6Or go down fightin'
  1021. [18:48] <Redphienix> 6which would be fun for a week
  1022. [18:48] <Osmann> Ishamael says true
  1023. [18:48] <IshamaelNaeblis> Last year, certain elderly players tried a hairbrained stint to free us from China, it ended up in us not having Congress or any regions for 8 months.
  1024. [18:48] <Redphienix> 6but then it's a boring period of occupation.
  1025. [18:48] <IshamaelNaeblis> I'd rather have Balochistan than no regions whatsoever.
  1026. [18:48] <IshamaelNaeblis> Just my  opinion. ^^
  1027. [18:48] <Redphienix> 6I wanna war iran >:L
  1028. [18:48] <Osmann> Still, all comes to the same issue
  1029. [18:48] <Redphienix> 6for no reason.
  1030. [18:49] <Osmann> Small population
  1031. [18:49] <Redphienix> 6Retention = power = possibilities.
  1032. [18:49] <superUD> but this small population and have no relation in other world made us week...
  1033. [18:49] <IshamaelNaeblis> We do have relations, SuperUD.
  1034. [18:50] <Redphienix> 6Seems we should be louder on who they are so everyone can clearly say that then
  1035. [18:50] <Redphienix> 6:3
  1036. [18:50] <IshamaelNaeblis> We are now MPPed with Spain, USA and Serbia, both of which are among the top 6 countries in the e-world. I personally worked hard and got the Spain/USA alliances this month.
  1037. [18:50] <Mohammad_Bilal> <IshamaelNaeblis> I'd rather have Balochistan than no regions whatsoever. <<== COrrection "We'd"
  1038. [18:50] <IshamaelNaeblis> Our repute globally is much better this month than it was last month..and it continues to grow.
  1039. [18:51] <IshamaelNaeblis> I'd rather build on that, instead of risking it.
  1040. [18:51] <Redphienix> 6It sucks
  1041. [18:51] <superUD> we should start secrate resistance war against china and other countries members have to support us without knowing to CHina...
  1042. [18:51] <Redphienix> 6No doubting that
  1043. [18:51] <Redphienix> 6but if we can grow now we can fight tomorrow and actually win
  1044. [18:51] <Mohammad_Bilal> superUD,  We will lose last region that way
  1045. [18:51] <superUD> they can migrate to Pakistan and fight for resistance
  1046. [18:51] <IshamaelNaeblis> Its pretty easy to find out who is directing damage where.
  1047. [18:51] <Redphienix> 6^
  1048. [18:51] <Redphienix> 6More than easy.
  1049. [18:51] <IshamaelNaeblis> Literally, a click away.
  1050. [18:52] <Redphienix> 6We do need ePaki fights though, whether training war or what
  1051. [18:52] <Redphienix> 6epaki damage = medals afterall.
  1052. [18:52] <superUD> but they can not start war with eUSA or serbia
  1053. 01[18:52] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok meeting cutt off time is
  1054. [18:52] <superUD> we are not going direct war with china,..i want some proxy war,...
  1055. 01[18:52] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> 7:15 PK time which is about 23 mintues
  1056. [18:52] <superUD> ok.,
  1057. [18:53] <ClusterStorm> K
  1058. 01[18:53] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if we have done with this can we move on ?
  1059. [18:53] <Mohammad_Bilal> Yes plz
  1060. [18:53] <Osmann> Yes sir
  1061. [18:54] <superUD> or we can wait for years to get population to get back our regions
  1062. [18:54] <IshamaelNaeblis> There are plans in works..
  1063. [18:54] <Redphienix> 6Be active and devoted to this future fight and it won't take years.
  1064. 01[18:54] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> SuperUD
  1065. [18:54] <IshamaelNaeblis> And discussions and plans going on.
  1066. [18:54] <Redphienix> 6Now I've a stupid thing to say :D
  1067. [18:54] <superUD> yes
  1068. 01[18:54] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Your issue is big i suggest we vote on it to send it to cabinet/congress
  1069. [18:54] <superUD> yes
  1070. 01[18:54] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ?
  1071. [18:55] <superUD> Lets VOTE.
  1072. [18:55] <IshamaelNaeblis> What exactly is the Congress going to do on it?
  1073. 01[18:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Should the proposal made by superUD be sent to Cabinet for future debate till next sunday ?
  1074. [18:55] <Mohammad_Bilal> yes
  1075. [18:55] <Redphienix> 6But what are the terms? It's a debate on how to fight off china- not exactly possible right now.
  1076. [18:55] <Redphienix> 6Why vote?
  1077. [18:55] <IshamaelNaeblis> Its a rubber stamping authorithy elected to vote YES to MPPs and enjoy their 5 gold.
  1078. 01[18:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> it wont be rubber stamp
  1079. [18:55] <IshamaelNaeblis> Thats literally all they do. What are they going to debate lol
  1080. 01[18:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> after constitution
  1081. 01[18:55] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> so lets just hold on for 1 more week with that
  1082. [18:55] <Redphienix> 6I thought gold from congress was donated to country x3
  1083. [18:56] <Redphienix> 6did shit change over time or what?
  1084. [18:56] <Redphienix> 6XD
  1085. [18:56] <ClusterStorm> :)
  1086. [18:56] <Redphienix> 6:)
  1087. [18:56] <superUD> welcome our President.
  1088. [18:56] <ClusterStorm> i already here
  1089. [18:56] <IshamaelNaeblis> Red, you've been reading eUSA forums :P
  1090. [18:56] <Zafthfirst> Redphienix:that was old school
  1091. [18:56] <Redphienix> 6Nope.
  1092. [18:57] <Redphienix> 6Why'd that go out the window XD
  1093. [18:57] <IshamaelNaeblis> Certain Congressmen donate it as an act of goodwill.
  1094. [18:57] <Redphienix> 6Dio I've been dead too long x3
  1095. [18:57] <IshamaelNaeblis> Others hog it, lol
  1096. [18:57] <Zafthfirst> we had no congress for months
  1097. 01[18:57] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  1098. 01[18:57] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Redphienix
  1099. 01[18:57] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> you can go ahead
  1100. [18:57] <Redphienix> 6Oh well, OLD WAYS FOREVER BECAUSE ME :3
  1101. [18:57] <Redphienix> 6Oh alright
  1102. 03[18:57] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +m
  1103. 03[18:57] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +v Redphienix
  1104. [18:57] <+Redphienix> 6Well howdy all
  1105. [18:58] <+Redphienix> 6I've something short to question- it is almost entirely for debate as it's something I've been involved in debating many times in the past- and it's not up now after my break from erep so I figured I'd go ahead!
  1106. [18:58] <+Redphienix> 6I've seen nothing about offering newbies weapons and would like to ask on everyone's opinion on gathering a little gold to get companies to donate weapons to newbies. Something to make newbies feel more powerful and more excited about the game. Whether a donation gathered by oldfags or a commune for newbies- I think we need this.
  1107. [18:58] <+Redphienix> 6Ot
  1108. [18:59] <+Redphienix> 6It's a costly investment but if a trusted account holds the 'commune' for newbies then more damage gets down from newbies- retention increases as they feel more important
  1109. [18:59] <+Redphienix> 6future damage increases which means this pays for itself through a more powerful country.
  1110. [18:59] <+Redphienix> 6It would be costly, more than a little XD But some weapons made entirely to give to new players can help down the road.
  1111. [18:59] <+Redphienix> 6Blah blah blind talk
  1112. [18:59] <+Redphienix> 6Un m-
  1113. 03[19:00] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -m
  1114. 01[19:00] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Discuss
  1115. [19:00] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: The Saeen Party will be launching a New Player Program (NPP) self funded ofcourse, so I would love to work with you on it as I don't know how much a new player should get daily.
  1116. [19:01] <+Redphienix> 6I'll see if I can help on that if you'd like :3
  1117. [19:01] <IshamaelNaeblis> Considering the grudges being held in this country, I think we'd have a hard time finding someone deemed "trustworthy" by all sides.
  1118. [19:01] <+Redphienix> 6but I'm asking beyond that, either a national program or a program ran by old fags donating in a pool for the new youth
  1119. 01[19:01] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Can I add something
  1120. 01[19:01] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ?
  1121. [19:01] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: I have all the factories in place, I just don't know how much to give.
  1122. [19:01] <IshamaelNaeblis> I'm all for the commune idea, as long as someone gives slots in their Q6 factories for newbies to work, instaed of getting the gold from the country treasury to buy one.
  1123. [19:01] <Mohammad_Bilal> Redphienix,  I have an article on this but ppl are hesitated to ask for wep/food etc
  1124. [19:01] <superUD> nice idea,.totally agree with Redphienix.
  1125. [19:01] <+Redphienix> 6Of course ya can. I need a nice kick in the nuts afterall.
  1126. [19:02] <+Redphienix> 6PM me on it, how many you're making and the like
  1127. 01[19:02] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> who are we to decide if Jakal or Ahsan shahbaz or Dodial is trustworthy (just example dont take it seriously) this program should be congress regulated in future a suggestion since with constitution congress will have a bigger role in country
  1128. [19:02] <IshamaelNaeblis> I think Dodial should add stuff here, he is MoF and boss on all things related to economy.
  1129. 01[19:02] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> dodial had to leave
  1130. [19:02] <IshamaelNaeblis> Ah, alright.
  1131. 01[19:03] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Red your idea is great
  1132. [19:03] <+Redphienix> 6Trust is a funny thing but that's just it. WE need someone who is for ePakistan and willing to hold the factories without profit. Not many would willingly do that
  1133. 01[19:03] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> and i think this should be government funded
  1134. [19:03] <Osmann> I agree with Redphienix
  1135. 01[19:03] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> however who will have all this is question
  1136. [19:03] <+Redphienix> 6I would love this to be gov funded as retention is the biggest government affecting bit.
  1137. [19:03] <Osmann> It might make the the newbies much more interested in games
  1138. [19:03] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: nations are built by people
  1139. [19:03] <Osmann> *the game
  1140. 01[19:03] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i think the guy incharge should be elected through a vote
  1141. 01[19:03] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> << me being too democratic today
  1142. 01[19:03] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> lmao
  1143. [19:04] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: Perhaps you are unaware but our current MoF is unapproachable.
  1144. [19:04] <Osmann> It will also be easier to retain them
  1145. [19:04] <+Redphienix> 6We need someone who isn't gonna run off forever letting the factories die
  1146. [19:04] <superUD> why not we make a three members commetie
  1147. [19:04] <IshamaelNaeblis> You cannot ELECT someone to trust them with 300 odd gold.
  1148. [19:04] <+Redphienix> 6and can be trusted as someone who is out to help newbies, not side x or side y
  1149. [19:04] <|r3AcT0r|> The number of times I have sent him a private message to get zero answer.
  1150. [19:04] <AhmedUzair> I think we have to make a commune that donate atleast 100 q1 food and 8 Q6 weapons to newbies (for their first 2 months)
  1151. 01[19:04] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Lets have a quick vote so we can sum up the meeting ?
  1152. [19:04] <+Redphienix> 6Selfish me says me but based on my past (which I blame on not having any job during those times) I'm untrustworthy due to past inactive times.
  1153. [19:04] <IshamaelNaeblis> Vote on what?
  1154. 01[19:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Red's propsal
  1155. [19:05] <+Redphienix> 6Who should run it?
  1156. 01[19:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I have no issue with red doing it
  1157. [19:05] <superUD> i can run if you have trust
  1158. [19:05] <AhmedUzair> the president
  1159. [19:05] <AhmedUzair> will run it
  1160. 01[19:05] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> president is also good
  1161. [19:05] <+Redphienix> 6I'd be honored
  1162. [19:05] <IshamaelNaeblis> LOLNO.
  1163. [19:05] <+Redphienix> 6but all thigns should be known about me
  1164. [19:05] <IshamaelNaeblis> President changes every month.
  1165. [19:05] <+Redphienix> 6things*
  1166. [19:06] <superUD> we need a permanent ePakistani,who run these factories.
  1167. 01[19:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> that brings to stuff CoE did
  1168. [19:06] <+Redphienix> 6I have no plans to go inactive if I have a job, but my current goals are to make money to pay off my e-debt.
  1169. 01[19:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> we all run a spiral
  1170. 01[19:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> :P
  1171. 01[19:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> coming back to the begining
  1172. [19:06] <IshamaelNaeblis> CoE ran factories?
  1173. 01[19:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> CoE was great idea technically
  1174. [19:06] <+Redphienix> 6I would love the job, but the average person would likely not trust me
  1175. 01[19:06] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> but was flawed by political stuff
  1176. [19:07] <+Redphienix> 6as I'm trying to make money off Q4 weps.
  1177. [19:07] <IshamaelNaeblis> It just failed, because the daihaatis came to power.
  1178. [19:07] <|r3AcT0r|> lol
  1179. 01[19:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> most elders are trustworthy
  1180. 01[19:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> atleast Raao
  1181. [19:07] <Osmann> I would also like the job, seriously i would, but  im not well known :/
  1182. 03[19:07] * dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  1183. [19:07] <|r3AcT0r|> raao quit
  1184. [19:07] <IshamaelNaeblis> And they tried their daihaati politics, which they'd learnt in villages in Sargodha.
  1185. 01[19:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> my point exactly
  1186. [19:07] <+Redphienix> 6passive =/= quit.
  1187. 01[19:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> true
  1188. 01[19:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i will talk to him
  1189. [19:07] <|r3AcT0r|> anyhow
  1190. 01[19:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> about this idea
  1191. [19:07] <+Redphienix> 6So everyone likes the plan but what is up for debate is who would run it
  1192. [19:07] <+Redphienix> 6?
  1193. 01[19:07] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if we all agree he is trustworthy
  1194. [19:08] <+Redphienix> 6Rather happy on that :D
  1195. 01[19:08] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> my opinion is as an individual
  1196. [19:08] <Mohammad_Bilal> IshamaelNaeblis,  lol can you tell me more about who is dihaati ? :D
  1197. 03[19:08] * Osmann is now known as Osmann\BRB
  1198. [19:08] <|r3AcT0r|> i don't think government should give out gold to players no matter how trustworthy they are to buy factories
  1199. [19:08] <+Redphienix> 6That seems extreme
  1200. [19:08] <|r3AcT0r|> Return on Investment will take ages
  1201. [19:08] <IshamaelNaeblis> Not you Bilal. :D
  1202. [19:08] <+Redphienix> 6retention isn't worth it?
  1203. [19:08] <|r3AcT0r|> its better they just spend the money to buy Q1 food and Q6 weapons from the local market
  1204. [19:08] <+Redphienix> 6The return takes ages, yes, but the immediate return of players is priceless.
  1205. 03[19:08] * vrsoldiers (cgiirc@D8B56959.DE9E17DB.639722A6.IP) has joined #epak.meeting
  1206. [19:08] <+Redphienix> 6REally?!
  1207. 01[19:08] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> reactor
  1208. [19:09] <+Redphienix> 6Hell no on that
  1209. 01[19:09] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> who do you trust
  1210. [19:09] <+Redphienix> 6//my opinion/
  1211. [19:09] <superUD> let vote who run it
  1212. [19:09] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: it isnt about trust dude
  1213. [19:09] <+Redphienix> 6Yes, it is.
  1214. [19:09] <|r3AcT0r|> its just not the best use of funds
  1215. 01[19:09] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> you are ok with CP having the power ?
  1216. [19:09] <+Redphienix> 6No.
  1217. 01[19:09] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> because he already does
  1218. 01[19:09] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> have access to all state bank gold
  1219. [19:09] <+Redphienix> 6I don't want CP running the factories, it should be untied to politics.
  1220. [19:09] <+Redphienix> 6Just help newbies.
  1221. [19:09] <IshamaelNaeblis> We all know how much REAL power he has Ahsan.
  1222. [19:09] <+Redphienix> 6The end.
  1223. [19:09] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: I already have all the factories, so trust me I don't care who runs it or gets it.
  1224. [19:10] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: I honestly dont think its a good use of funds.
  1225. [19:10] <+Redphienix> 6I'm talking on the government ran one- and using our funds to raise retention is by far the BEST use I can think of.
  1226. [19:10] <IshamaelNaeblis> If he wants to donate his Q6
  1227. [19:10] <IshamaelNaeblis> I think it saves fund
  1228. [19:10] <IshamaelNaeblis> funds*
  1229. [19:10] <IshamaelNaeblis> So..yeah.
  1230. [19:10] <+Redphienix> 6Your factories I would consider a 'personal' goodwill, I would love to help figure the numbers for donations with you on that! :D
  1231. [19:11] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: if we had 3000 players
  1232. [19:11] <|r3AcT0r|> I would understand
  1233. 01[19:11] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Idea is superb need more framework
  1234. [19:11] <|r3AcT0r|> we have less than 30 active
  1235. [19:11] <+Redphienix> 6>Talking of retention
  1236. [19:11] <|r3AcT0r|> for 30 players it isnt worth investing in factories
  1237. 01[19:11] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> now i want to conclude and end this meeting ? as i have the responsibility to publish an article on it as well
  1238. [19:11] <+Redphienix> 6If we HAD 3000 we wouldn't be worrying over retention as much as we are now, because we would already be doing something right.
  1239. [19:12] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: yes, if you want a retention program, GoP buys local products from local players
  1240. [19:12] <+Redphienix> 6*shakes head*
  1241. [19:12] <Mohammad_Bilal> I agree on this retention program by Redphienix
  1242. [19:12] <+Redphienix> 6Just pure waste there :/
  1243. 01[19:12] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Vote
  1244. [19:12] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4YES
  1245. 01[19:12] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Agree / Disagree / Undecided
  1246. [19:12] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz: no dude
  1247. [19:12] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4Agree
  1248. [19:12] <|r3AcT0r|> not finished discussing
  1249. [19:12] <+Redphienix> 6I could never consider buying weapons > factories, because ePakistan is forever- the profit mark will come no matter what *shrugs*.
  1250. 01[19:13] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> dude
  1251. [19:13] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: yeah but if your buying from the local market
  1252. 01[19:13] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> carry on the discussion
  1253. [19:13] <+Redphienix> 6We do need to break this down now so the article can be written
  1254. [19:13] <|r3AcT0r|> local players will recieve the funds
  1255. 01[19:13] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i dont have all evening yaar :P
  1256. 01[19:13] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> it's already been 3.5 hours
  1257. [19:13] <IshamaelNaeblis> I have to go too. :/
  1258. 01[19:13] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> anyway continue
  1259. 01[19:13] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i wont stop
  1260. [19:13] <+Redphienix> 6So might I ask if we see where we are now then continue debate?
  1261. [19:13] <+Redphienix> 6A quick vote then debate?
  1262. 01[19:14] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> ok
  1263. 01[19:14] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Agree/Disagree/Undecided
  1264. [19:14] <Mohammad_Bilal> 4Agree
  1265. [19:14] <IshamaelNaeblis> Undecided.
  1266. 01[19:14] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> also if i conclude you guys can continue here to discuss unoffically
  1267. [19:14] <AhmedUzair> Undecided
  1268. [19:14] <ClusterStorm> Un
  1269. [19:14] <Zafthfirst> agree
  1270. [19:14] <+Redphienix> 6Who thinks we should start government funded weapons factories to help newbies and increase retention (ADD OTHER THINGS, repurpose Jakals? Who should run it?)
  1271. [19:14] <|r3AcT0r|> Disagree to spending GOP money in running state factories at this point in time.
  1272. [19:14] <Zafthfirst> o/
  1273. [19:15] <superUD> agree,...
  1274. [19:15] <+Redphienix> 6I could never agree to spending our money to buy from local market.
  1275. [19:15] <vrsoldiers> what else to do with the money??
  1276. [19:15] <+Redphienix> 6Make the factories.
  1277. [19:15] <+Redphienix> 6*I could never agree to using government money to buy from local market
  1278. 01[19:15] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> buy ePorn for CP ?
  1279. [19:15] <|r3AcT0r|> its the same concept Redphienix
  1280. [19:15] <superUD> making of factories is good for nation,.country and peoples.
  1281. [19:15] <+Redphienix> 6Agreed. ePORN.
  1282. [19:15] <|r3AcT0r|> except no capital investment
  1283. [19:16] <+Redphienix> 6*shakes head*
  1284. [19:16] <Zafthfirst> vote now?
  1285. [19:16] <+Redphienix> 6So a permanent structure that won't be affected by rise and fall of prices/greed/assholes/foreign companies OPERATING IN OUR WALLS
  1286. [19:16] <vrsoldiers> well make factories n give em jobs on a higher wage then in other markets... you will get the material they will get the money to buy whatever they want
  1287. [19:16] <superUD> vote
  1288. [19:17] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: you can fix the prices. introduce a gauranteed purchase program.
  1289. [19:17] <+Redphienix> 6*shakes head*
  1290. [19:17] <+Redphienix> 6A global market involving foreign money grubbers means local market is not 100% local
  1291. 01[19:17] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok i dont see this discussion summing up
  1292. 01[19:17] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> anytime soon i have suggestion
  1293. 01[19:17] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if i may ?
  1294. [19:17] <+Redphienix> 6As expected
  1295. [19:18] <+Redphienix> 6Please go on :P
  1296. [19:18] <|r3AcT0r|> Redphienix: there are 30 active players
  1297. [19:18] <|r3AcT0r|> at the end of the day, it costs health to produce and raw materials
  1298. [19:18] <+Redphienix> 6Thanks I was unaware that a retention program would be worthless to a country in need of citizens :3
  1299. [19:18] <|r3AcT0r|> so if the new player who joins
  1300. [19:18] <+Redphienix> 6I see the math
  1301. [19:18] <|r3AcT0r|> has to build a weapons factory
  1302. [19:18] <|r3AcT0r|> and the government is buying those weapons
  1303. [19:18] <|r3AcT0r|> to than distribute further
  1304. [19:19] <|r3AcT0r|> it involves the new player just a little bit more
  1305. [19:19] <|r3AcT0r|> than just coming on begging for supplies, clicking and leaving
  1306. [19:19] <+Redphienix> 6So you recommend we buy, gather, and redistribute Q1 weapons :3
  1307. [19:19] <|r3AcT0r|> its an example
  1308. [19:19] <|r3AcT0r|> but yes
  1309. [19:20] <vrsoldiers> why buy n redistribute... just give em good wages to buy whatever they want or they will be begging for food again
  1310. [19:20] <+Redphienix> 6No thanks. Now the beggars will likely take more than a few and die off anyway. That is a risk- but with the factories it affects us LESS than if we use the gov funds to buy from market
  1311. [19:20] <AhmedUzair> Q1 weapons are worthless
  1312. 01[19:20] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Redphienix idea is principally intelligent and I know he speaks it from his experience and I would tend to agree with his ideas. Nothing is perfect in this world we have to see what the end result being achieved how you achieve it is difference of opinion. As long is means are ethical and legal the result is benefit the thing should be done. I suggest we hold this idea for next meeting. I am thinking of doing two meetings and divide the discussions on things dicusses here so we can give more time to issues unresolved here today.
  1313. 01[19:20] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> end result is *
  1314. [19:20] <|r3AcT0r|> Ahsan_Shahbaz
  1315. [19:20] <+Redphienix> 6By losing our resources that we made for an investment we don't lose. By losing resources we bought on the spot- we lose all that instantly.
  1316. [19:20] <|r3AcT0r|> no, I will support this
  1317. [19:21] <Mohammad_Bilal> Ahsan_Shahbaz,  Iz meeting over ?
  1318. 01[19:21] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> red will tell me
  1319. 01[19:21] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> if he thinks the debate on this issue should close
  1320. [19:21] <ClusterStorm> i have something in mind, that why don't we make one account in which we have q6 weapon factory or food and we give jobs people to work on it with feasible wages, with that we produced q6 weapons or food as well give newbies feasible wages. :/
  1321. [19:22] <IshamaelNaeblis> That is what the debate is on..
  1322. [19:22] <vrsoldiers> i 2nd cluster storm!!!
  1323. [19:22] <+Redphienix> 6Yes yes- we can talk later on this. For now I would like to offer my help to Jakals personal factories! :D We can talk on this later :3
  1324. [19:22] <AhmedUzair> Redphienix: I support your Idea but first we have to decide HOW TO GET NEW PLAYERS
  1325. 01[19:22] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok Agreed ?
  1326. 01[19:22] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> can i conclude the meeting
  1327. [19:22] <|r3AcT0r|> yes please do
  1328. [19:22] <superUD> yes
  1329. [19:22] <+Redphienix> 6The new players come a few a day- if they are happy because they got weapons they stay.
  1330. 01[19:22] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Ok
  1331. [19:22] <|r3AcT0r|> cause i need to troll ClusterStorm on his last statement
  1332. [19:23] <Mohammad_Bilal> Agree on Redphienix  idea.
  1333. 03[19:23] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: +m
  1334. [19:23] <+Redphienix> 6It's a commonly noticed idea that if you keep the few that join then more will join the next day.
  1335. [19:23] <+Redphienix> 6//done for now/
  1336. 01[19:23] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Thank you all for taking out time from your busy lifes and come here on my call.
  1337. 01[19:24] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> I think the national meetings are good platform for idea generation and discussions
  1338. 01[19:24] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> We have discussed serveral issues
  1339. 01[19:24] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> i will post an article tonight about this hopefully before going to bed as i have to go through all the logs again
  1340. 01[19:25] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Before leaving this meeting I would like to announce two more meetings next week
  1341. 01[19:25] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> we will discuss the issues unresolved here today in next meetins
  1342. 01[19:25] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> meetings
  1343. 01[19:25] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> Saturday and Sunday next week seems reasonable ?
  1344. 01[19:26] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> time can be adjusted. Thank you all for your time and effort.. It was lovely to see so much interest from ePakistani
  1345. 01[19:26] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> That will be all
  1346. 02[19:26] * dingorider (cgiirc@B92702C8.F566F989.DA1329EB.IP) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
  1347. 01[19:26] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> you can discuss stuff here but it will not be offical part of meeting brief
  1348. 03[19:26] * Ahsan_Shahbaz sets mode: -m
  1349. [19:26] <Mohammad_Bilal> Bye
  1350. [19:26] <+Redphienix> 6 5ever ePakistan~ *ABUSES HIS VOICE*
  1351. [19:26] <+Redphienix> 6awww
  1352. [19:26] <AhmedUzair> Bye
  1353. [19:26] <+Redphienix> 6unmute right when I abuse power.
  1354. 01[19:26] <@Ahsan_Shahbaz> lol
  1355. [19:26] <+Redphienix> 6dang it xD
  1356. [19:26] <superUD> bye..
  1357. [19:26] <+Redphienix> 6Love y'all :3
  1358. [19:27] <vrsoldiers> bbyrz
  1359. [19:27] <+Redphienix> 6PM me if'n ya like.
  1360. [19:27] <vrsoldiers> bbyez
  1361. [19:27] <+Redphienix> 6for whatever pointless chatter :D
  1362. [19:27] <+Redphienix> 6<3
  1363. 03[19:27] * +Redphienix (cgiirc@Rizon-F6C82A2A.columbus.res.rr.com) has left #epak.meeting
  1364. 03[19:27] * Mohammad_Bilal is now known as Mohammad_Bilal[Gone]
  1365. 
  1366. 

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